Rotating Objects.

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AdmFubar

Was rotating and object the other day, and noticed something (finally) about object rotation. I had always felt it was difficult to use, and noticed that the rotation is indicated backwards. while the 360/0 is at the top, degrees increment counter clockwise instead of clockwise. Had anyone else noted this?
Using Scribus 1.5.8 & 1.6.3, 1.7.0 openSUSE 15.5
Advanced hobbyist

prcek

Hi, I'm not sure we discuss the same behavior. I'm using 1.6.4 and objects rotate counter clockwise as degrees increment. It is the same as in any CAD software I used so nothing unusual for me.
I checked it now with GIMP (2.10) and Inkscape (1.2) and it is as you describe. Apparently standards differ in different domains of software.
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a.l.e

indeed, one gets easily used to what is shown.

but, i also agree that aligning to what inkscape and gimp do is probably a good idea.

admfubar, would you mind opening a ticket for this?

AdmFubar

Using Scribus 1.5.8 & 1.6.3, 1.7.0 openSUSE 15.5
Advanced hobbyist

utnik

in inkscape the rotation input field in the lower left corner uses positive values to rotate clockwise. but this just rotates the view of the document, not a selection. when rotating a selection with 'object' → 'transform' → 'rotate' the direction has to be selected before a click on 'apply' does the trick. (the default is counterclockwise for positive values...)
...and in autocad the direction can be defined in the settings.

in the beginnings of cad (i worked in the eighties with such a system...) the direction was counterclockwise. but as a sailor – used to work with a compass – i prefer it clockwise...

what's best for anyone? do we need it selectable?

utnik

a.l.e

To nobody surprise, I prefer not to have a configuration for this.

As I wrote and as you also noted, it's easy to get used to the one or the other. (And typing the other one, should be as easy as typing a negative number).

More often than not, the desire for a thing to be configurable, is a sign that it is simply not good enough...

prcek

Quote from: a.l.e on May 19, 2025, 06:14:02 PM(And typing the other one, should be as easy as typing a negative number).

In 1.6.4 it is not possible to use a negative value.
If it is possible my life is easier.
I have no strong opinion wrt default direction.
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Any job looks easy until you try doing it yourself.

Nermander

I guess instead of writing -45 you could write 360-45.

a.l.e

Was .. should be as easy...

... might become as easy...

https://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=17529

prcek

Quote from: Nermander on May 19, 2025, 08:59:52 PMI guess instead of writing -45 you could write 360-45.

O.C. I could. But it involves math, although simple I can make mistakes easily.


Quote from: a.l.e on May 19, 2025, 09:37:15 PMWas .. should be as easy...

... might become as easy...

https://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=17529

Thank you very much!
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Any job looks easy until you try doing it yourself.

a.l.e

the scribus team prefers keeping the current backwards (or counter clockwise) rotation.

while most (or all) opensource tools around scribus seem to do it clockwise, indesign also does it counter clockwise.

on the other side, being able to enter negative values has good chances to get in soon.
this will mitigate the discomfort for those who prefer to have it the other way round. (you will not anymore have to calculate how much is 360 - 15...)