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#81
Beginner Talk / Re: Bullet and numbering issue
Last post by a.l.e - August 28, 2025, 08:50:18 PM
As far as I know, languages that have composed glyphs use specific software to enter (type) them.

That software is between the keyboard and the app you're using (something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fcitx).

No idea if any of these are usable for old Malayalam and Scribus.

I'm trying to see, if I can create a script that lets you define snippets that you can then easily insert into a Scribus document.
#82
Beginner Talk / Re: Bullet and numbering issue
Last post by mgrajesh - August 28, 2025, 06:33:09 AM
sorry for confusing !

the 'ററ' was an example to show you how old lipi was rendered. Never used libreoffice. But i use that drag in to panel for quick usage was very helpful for frequesnt use for example the letter'ർ' is used in most case in old lipi it merely use "  ൎ  ". for exapmple when typing നിർത്തി .. old lipi use only നിൎത്തി. that symbol never cant typed. Only way is we have to manually enter via glyph panel .


what i am saying is when glyph doesn't show full character list, it will make our job slow. ( you can see that big list at the bottom  when you using font forge .   any way it may be the issues with the font , that characters are not appear in glyph box..  any way thank you so much
#84
Beginner Talk / Re: Bullet and numbering issue
Last post by a.l.e - August 27, 2025, 05:36:16 PM
You never clearly stated that Scribus can render the old chars.
And this is one of the reasons why I asked you to paste the character as text!

The second reason is that now, I can play around with those chars and see what one can do.

One of the first things I've found out, is that the glyphs in the Scribus "Insert Glyph" and in the Libreoffice are similar but not the same:

insert-glyph-scribus-lo.png

  • Libreoffice did recognize that the font has a Malayalam code block, Scribus does not.
  • I was intrigued by those dotted circles in Libreoffice...
  • I was also under the impression that Scribus did not list all the glyphs Libreoffice was showing.

I've pasted your glyphs into a Scribus and Libreoffice document and now I know that both are able to show the old glyph with the given font.

Thanks to an internet search, I've found out that Libreoffice can show the unicode code of a character by pressing alt-x. I did that.

Now I know that in Scribus you actually can use "Insert Glyph" to insert റ്റ:
You "simply" need to type 0d31↵0d4d↵0d31 in "Insert Code" field and then push the "Insert" button.
A solution that old time Windows users will love.
But not me.

By the way: since, I could not find how to get the code points in Scribus, now there is a Script for doing it:

https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-script-repository/blob/master/glyph_code/glyph_code.py

For the rest of my report , I will cheat a bit and tell you what I've found out, in a different order than how things happened.

Looking at the glyphs table in Libreoffice, there are a few dotted circles that stick out:

compose-decoration.png

What if the circles signify that one can compose the character?

insert-from-glyph-table.gif

Since I have no clue how the Malayalam glyphs work, there was only one way for me to find out the sequence: look at the codes composing the glyph : - )
(And playing around with them a bit...)

You can even drop the glyphs into the list of preferred glyphs and insert them from there:

insert-from-glyph-preferred.gif

Voilà, relief you from some of your suffering...

Finally, I want to get back to the Screenshot of the two "Insert Glyphs" in Window: We need to talk, if it really makes sense that Scribus tries to show all possible combined glyphs or if -- like Libreoffice does -- it should simply better show which are the glyphs that are supposed to be combined.
Once it's clearer what should be improved, we will need to open a ticket in the bug tracker.
#85
PDF Generation / Re: Problem with text color us...
Last post by a.l.e - August 27, 2025, 04:25:24 PM
Thanks for the ticket.

We will see if jghali will have something to say about that...
#86
Beginner Talk / Re: Bullet and numbering issue
Last post by mgrajesh - August 27, 2025, 05:26:37 AM
no its not hard. :D  but i think you thought i getting hard in rendering the type in scribus. But its not my issue. If i typed exactly what it is, scribus render it correctly. But it doesn't happen always. I use OCR to make mage to text. In such case all characters doesn't read. in such case i have to type it manually

for example when it type റ്റ , in old lipi its typed as ററ..

and in modern lipi സുസ്മേരം type like this but in old lipi its rederd like this
https://postimg.cc/svNXh6s7

the issue is if the glyph is showing all the characters i could easily add it instantly .. there are many such characters which moderns fonts doesnt use.

if its showing in glyph it will save hours .. hope now you understand the issue.  ;) 
#87
PDF Generation / Re: Problem with text color us...
Last post by maximilian - August 27, 2025, 02:15:29 AM
Quote from: AdmFubar on August 27, 2025, 01:59:39 AMIn Scribus this seems to work as indicated here. The darker the color present the less change there is until you get to black and then there is no change.
Yes, I have manually calculated the result color of the blend, assuming it were performed in RGB, and have even documented it in the ODS file attached to my bug report, and the calculated color matches the color that is rendered by Scribus as a result of applying the exclusion blend mode (by the way, I have included a third text in the sample SLA file in the bug report that has the result color of the color blend being performed in CMYK explicitly assigned to it).

Quote from: AdmFubar on August 27, 2025, 01:59:39 AMNow when you are exporting to the pdf, in the window that opens there are a set of tabs for adjusting the export options, one is marked "Color". In that tab there is an intended output option, "Screen/Web", "Printer", or "Grayscale", Whst option are you using?
When selecting PDF/X-4 in the General tab, the "Output Intended For" option in the Color tab is greyed out and set to "Printer" (understandably). But when I tried exporting to PDF 1.6 (which is apparently the standard that PDF/X-4 is based on), I selected "Printer" and the problem is present in the exported PDF file as well.
#88
PDF Generation / Re: Problem with text color us...
Last post by AdmFubar - August 27, 2025, 01:59:39 AM
Ok I did a little checking and found this on Adobe's site

Difference
Looks at the color information in each channel and subtracts either the blend color from the base color or the base color from the blend color, depending on which has the greater brightness value. Blending with white inverts the base color values; blending with black produces no change.

Exclusion
Creates an effect similar to but lower in contrast than the Difference mode. Blending with white inverts the base color values. Blending with black produces no change.

In Scribus this seems to work as indicated here. The darker the color present the less change there is until you get to black and then there is no change.

Now when you are exporting to the pdf, in the window that opens there are a set of tabs for adjusting the export options, one is marked "Color". In that tab there is an intended output option, "Screen/Web", "Printer", or "Grayscale", Whst option are you using?
#89
PDF Generation / Re: Problem with text color us...
Last post by maximilian - August 27, 2025, 12:59:36 AM
Quote from: AdmFubar on August 26, 2025, 11:18:13 PMI'm not sure if i'm right about this, but the blend mode for text only seems to work with text and not other objects.
I am not sure if I understand what you mean by that. Do you mean that, if there are different objects in a layer that has a blend mode assigned, the blend mode will only affect text in that layer and not other objects? If so, this does not seem to be the case. I have created a circle in the layer with the blend mode with the same source color as the text in that layer and the circle is displayed in exactly the same color as the text.

Quote from: AdmFubar on August 26, 2025, 11:18:13 PMI was playing with the file posted by max and was adjusting the wording of the text to reflect what text was which as i tried different options. the text wrapped in the text frame and the exclusion mode was applied to the text, I added a background color to the text as well and got more exclusion effect applied.
Is this related to the original topic of this thread, to the observation you made in the first sentence of your message, or to neither of the two? Because I do not see any connection and I wonder if I am missing something.
#90
PDF Generation / Re: Problem with text color us...
Last post by AdmFubar - August 26, 2025, 11:18:13 PM
I'm not sure if i'm right about this, but the blend mode for text only seems to work with text and not other objects.

I was playing with the file posted by max and was adjusting the wording of the text to reflect what text was which as i tried different options. the text wrapped in the text frame and the exclusion mode was applied to the text, I added a background color to the text as well and got more exclusion effect applied.

See the attached file.