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General Discussion / Re: Imported pdf with editable text
« Last post by mnawij on Today at 04:06:25 am »
Do not use the import option, just use the File->Open. It could be the pdf created by Latex is a problem also. Unless I have the pdf file I cannot really help much more.


General Discussion / Re: Imported pdf with editable text
« Last post by medmedin2014 on May 15, 2021, 05:52:45 pm »
Thanks @mnawij I was used to 1.5.6 so I clicked fast on ok when importing pdf without noticing the added option in the dialog. I needed to modify a small part in a pdf produced by latex but it doesn't open the file with the new import option and shows message "Scribus crashes due to the following exception : EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION", only vector import is working.
Layout Issues / Re: Pagination in OS-X 10.13, Scribus crashing "Signal-6"
« Last post by utnik on May 15, 2021, 11:13:03 am »
hi john

your description reads like a wild 'trial & error story' across document pages, master pages and the 'sections' manager. it is hard to see, what triggers your crashes.

i almost never use different sections. (i once needed them to set roman numerals in the first section and the standard arabic ones for the rest of the document. this may be my only experience with 'sections' in scribus…)
but i just tried (with scribus 1.5.7 – which is available for os 10.13 here) and couldn't find any problem with sections and pagination.
in the 'sections' dialog, you define the style of the page numbers, which sections show them and where they start in each section. but you place the page numbers on the master pages. (or on the actual document pages, if you like…)
as my documents usually don't need different pagination systems, i just apply master pages with page numbers where needed and others without them where i don't want them…

the cross for text overflow should disappear when you enlarge the frame a bit.

but all this seems to be solved in your new file…

…In any of the new document pages, none of the imported Master Pages text frames will activate.  They just remain mute black outlines.  I thought okay I will just go into Edit>Master Pages and make the imported black boxes text frames.  I clicked these boxes in the Master Pages and they highlighted as a text frames immediately.  They were already text frames and were imported as such, they just won't highlight as text frames in the new document.

you still try to edit master page objects on document pages – this will never work!
a text frame on a master page will show the same content on all the document pages where the master page is applied. you need to put text frames on your document pages. i often use the 'automatic text frames' function when i create the new document.

Layout Issues / Re: Pagination in OS-X 10.13, Scribus crashing "Signal-6"
« Last post by JohnJR on May 15, 2021, 01:02:56 am »

Following my first post above, I was able to just create a new document and import the previous Master Pages into the new one using Edit>Master Pages and using the "duplicate" and "import" tabs.  It was a little cumbersome, but I was able to do it.  Miraculously the pagination filled itself in correctly from the imports into the new document without me having to do anything, with either Insert or Document Setup.  It just appeared correctly out of the blue.

However there is a problem with the new document.  In any of the new document pages, none of the imported Master Pages text frames will activate.  They just remain mute black outlines.  I thought okay I will just go into Edit>Master Pages and make the imported black boxes text frames.  I clicked these boxes in the Master Pages and they highlighted as a text frames immediately.  They were already text frames and were imported as such, they just won't highlight as text frames in the new document.

I thought I would just lay new text frames right on top of the old ones in the Master Pages, but that doesn't seem right--text frames on top of )highlighted) text frames.  And would that even change things in the new document?  I could perhaps go into the new document and put text frames over the black outlined boxes, but that would be multiple text boxes on, in this case, 64 pages.

What now?

Layout Issues / Pagination in OS-X 10.13, Scribus crashing "Signal-6"
« Last post by JohnJR on May 14, 2021, 09:54:00 pm »

Twice I have had a"Scribus Crash-Signal 6" while trying to make pagination (automatic page numbering) work as advertised.  I now believe pagination was also the cause of a "Scribus Crash-Signal 11" two years that was never resolved.  I have no idea or ability to discern what these crashes technically are, they seem to involve code or programming somehow.  However I wonder if they might have in common--mac OS-X.  The crash in the past involved Scribus 1.4. and OS-X 10.12.6.  The two recent crashes involve Scribus 1.5.2 and OS-X 10.13.6; my 2009 iMac can go no higher than this OS.

I can't really describe the moment of the crashes, what I might have been doing, because they come so out of the blue.  I will try to give a record of what I was doing and the result because I'm guessing there is some tiny sequence of actions that isn't explained anywhere that I can find that are necessary.  I think they might have occurred when I was going back from something in pagination as explained that didn't work.

This is the first time I'm trying to apply the Master Page and Paragraph Style philosophy as Scribus intends rather than using it as a glorified typewriter, so I thought I was doing everything right.  My document is set up with Master Pages that were created on document pages and then Page>Convert To Master Page.  I then used Page>Apply Master Pages to populate them throughout the document leaving blank pages as the two default "Normal" Pages.

The pages requiring page numbers were created and converted on the Master Pages with small, but large enough, text boxes centered at the bottom, outside the page body/text margins like a footer.  At that moment I didn't have any instruction that I had to activate them somehow as number boxes.  Most of the instruction suggested this was part of the Document Set Up Sections, not the Master Page creation.  I think I've learned later that it has to be set up in the Master Pages, which makes eminent sense in hindsight (see below). 

Once I had my document set up with Master Pages, I was able, I think, to figure out that any text I wanted in the headers needed to be in those places before they were applied to the document, so Edit>Master Pages and type in repeating text with some little x's in the lower right-hand corner that turned out to be justification fits, but finally I got it.  Apply Master Pages and voila the repeated text appeared on every document page where designated.  This is where my pagination crashes began.

Looking at what tutorials were available, pagination was activated by File>Document Setup>Sections and I first set the dialog to begin on the interior page (9) where page one was to show and run through the pages where numbers were required.  I went to the document and noted that the little page number frame highlighted was not populated.  I checked the Section dialog box again and noted it was designated to start on the correct interior page (from), but the ending page (to) had reverted not to the multiple page value inserted but to the next odd page over (11), no matter what I did this reversion back persisted every time it was corrected.

I thought I must be confusing the Sections dialog box by not have a value designated for the first eight pages before (9), so I assigned small numerals to pages 1-8 and clicked off "shown".  This made no difference.

Somewhere in one of the forums there was a statement that the Sections dialog really didn't work properly and that one should highlight the number frame and then use Insert>Character>Page Number instead.  I followed that path only to find Page Number greyed out, not active.  I tried double clicking the frame to activate the cursor, checked the Sections dialog and followed the same path (Insert), and this time the >Page Number was active.  When I clicked it however the only result was another little red x-box (overflow?) in the lower right corner of the number box.

I think both times that Scribus crashed was when I tried to use Edit>Undo to go back from the little red x-box.  I was able to recover my document, but random Master Pages and their application disappeared.  Autosave was activated in both Preferences and Document Setup.

Somewhere else on Google, a narrative came up that seemed to be the reasonable solution all along; that pagination, at least for it's text frames, should be part of the Master Pages.  Furthermore somewhere in the past and continuing today on the Master Pages, one highlights the number text frame then uses Insert>Character>Page Number and one or two # symbols would appear as a place holder.  So Edit>Master Pages and voila the little # appears (only one).  This seemed to be the actual path that should be used and not the document's Sections dialog, at least to begin with.  With the Master Pages configured with the #'s, I went back into my document and highlighted the numbers frame according to the Sections dialog and went to Insert>Character>...Page Number is greyed out.  It would not activate.  I returned to the Sections dialog and found that my configuration had altered itself in one manner; the Right page that was selected to start a shown pagination of 1 remained, but the dialog had discarded the value for the length of pagination, in this case 64, and replaced it with the next Right page over (11).  No amount of corrections to 64 would change this behavior once the dialog was closed with "OK".  At this point, that reversion was moot because the Insert route was greyed out anyway.

At this point what suddenly seemed simple is the Sections dialog will not work until the the document page number frame is populated with the #.  So if I perhaps go back to my document and re-Apply the Master Pages again with this #addition, it should solve the problem.  It didn't work.  What happened when I selected the first selected document page (Right) to re-Apply it's Master Page, the re-Applied Master Page duplicated itself again, to it's left, as another page.  I did an Edit>Undo and tried it a second time.  This attempt didn't create a duplicate but gave me a new Right page in it's place with the numbers frame containing, not a # symbol but a black (overflow text?) x-box in the lower right corner.  This seemed dubious but for the moment I accepted it.  I continued with the remaining Left and Right Master Pages and their corresponding #.  I noted they changed in the document, but not with the #, but with the now black x-box.  Neither the Sections "OK" added page numbers nor the Insert>Character>Page Number, which remained greyed out (inactive).

I went back into the Sections dialog and added new pagination sections for every location where the Master Page changed from the previous one even though the page numbers would flow un-interuppted  (there are no blank pages interceding).  This made no difference.  However, similar to the reversion described above for 9 and 11, the dialog would erase an entered number and and replace it with the number of pages for the entire document and create a warning dialog that I had exceeded the page count.  After repeated corrections I was able to get the Sections dialog to hold for the correct order of pages, but as I said, this made no difference.

Given the craziness of the Signal crashes, I did note something in one of the tutorials for pagination, a picture only of I believe an old Windows Sections dialog that showed, without reference, that the selections button were: Add, Delete, Defaults, Apply, OK, Cancel.
I note on my mac OS-X the same dialog has only four selection buttons:  Add, Delete, OK, Cancel.  Most telling there is no "Apply" and that might be why nothing is working.

The only thing I can think of now is to save all my Master Pages as Templates, which I think there is a way to do, close my document and create a whole new document and apply the saved Master Pages (with their #-boxes), now templates and see if somehow the document itself was corrupted.  If this works, I will post it here.


Strange experience this week.

I have tried to work with long text files in all version from 1.4.8 and up and Scribus has been struggling on my HP Pavillion 500-248, AMD A10 6700 cpu, 32 GB Ram, 1 TB SSD HD. Very slow with long text. I thought, well this is Scribus... But then I tried to run Scribus on my wife's Lenova laptop, equipped with an AMD Ryzen 3 processor and 250 MB SSD and it works like a dream! 286 pages with 64 high density images - no problem!
Very strange I would say. What is the difference between these PC's? Anybody has any idea? Both machines are running on the latest Win10.

Hans Claesso
General Discussion / Re: [SOLVED] Text / Image Frames and Shapes look 'liquid'.
« Last post by Alfred on May 13, 2021, 01:15:16 pm »
I understand where the problem lies:

I have always used the Wacom tablet, I do a lot of graphics and photo editing and I am so used to it that I use it for everything, I have always closed the mouse in my drawer, I never use it.

I do not do it long, took, inserted and 'miracle' Scribus is back to work normally.
The strange thing is that with the other versions of Scribus I have never had any kind of problem, evidently the latest versions do not adequately support the tablet.

Well, I'm glad I solved it, I was already looking around to see how to replace Scribus, which is anything but simple, it means that when I need it I will use the mouse.

Thanks to those who have read and answered me, I also put SOLVED in the title for others who may have the same problem as me.

Thanks a lot to everyone... :D

General Discussion / Re: Text / Image Frames and Shapes look 'liquid'.
« Last post by Alfred on May 13, 2021, 11:20:30 am »
@RodneyLee and @mnawij

Thanks for your interest and for the answers,
you too with Mint 20.1 Cinnamon?

I have a desktop pc with 8GB of RAM and I don't have any other malfunctions with other software;
I work a lot with Inkscape and Gimp, even when I keep them open at the same time with Firefox I have never encountered any slowdowns or malfunctions.

Only with Scribus it happens to me with or without a grid, I tried to uninstall and reinstall but, nothing changes.
Do you think 8GB of ram is few? Even to make a single text frame?

Thanks for your time, I appreciate it very much ...

General Discussion / Re: Text / Image Frames and Shapes look 'liquid'.
« Last post by mnawij on May 13, 2021, 05:16:36 am »
I also just tested on Mint 20.1 and had no problems also. That problem looks to be ram or video card problem to me.


Scripts and Plugins / Re: help with fitting text to width
« Last post by RobSay on May 12, 2021, 05:11:33 pm »
In terms of the actual mechanics of (1) & (2) I think I understand what you're trying to do ... I'm thinking of those bill posters for concerts with all of the artists on different lines but all expanded to the same width. I really can't think of a situation where you'd apply it to actual text blocks... the human eye is *very* good at spotting inconsistencies in text layouts and it is really distracting for the reader.

For me this is one of those situations where just because you can (in Scribus) doesn't meant you should .. having said that:

(1) It would be possible to write a script that:
  • took a text frame and chopped the text into blocks based on carriage return
  • put each line in it's own frame
  • adjusted the font size, glyph width and/or kerning to achieve max width (by checking for overflow in the frame)
That would be a lot of work for something not very pretty and not very easy to edit. I think you'd also be reliant on the behaviour of the font for a strict width alignment between the frames. I don't think you could use a justified paragraph in a single frame with line break characters as I've not been able to manipulate that special non-paragraph line break in python script ..

(2) It would be possible to modify the above script to individually select and adjust the glyph width for specific (wide) characters
That would be even more work and spectacularly unpretty in a lot of cases ..

In both cases the script would essentially be automating the 'try this change and see' approach to approximate a real 'fill to width' behaviour. If I wanted the 'character fill to width' you've described - I'd be doing that in a graphics tool (both gimp and inkscape could do this) not a frame based tool - and then importing the graphic if I needed it to live with other (frame based) text content.
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