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#91
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by a.l.e - February 19, 2024, 06:23:06 PM
why inkscape, a vector drawing tool, has a better nodes handling?

the inkscape devs have spent 20 years working on that (plus a few other things...), while at the same time the scribus devs figured out how to create print ready PDFs and a rather solid color management.

still, it would be wonderful, if somebody who knows more than average about vector drawing could help improve the node editing in scribus!
just the interaction, not the features.
as it is now, it's painful.

but as you might have understood, it's not high priority for scribus, since real vector drawing is done in inkscape anyway.
in scribus one mostly only does small tweaking tasks.

anyway, vectorizing a logo is clearly something scribus should not be doing.
that's a task for inkscape. they already figured it out and if improvements are needed it's on them : - )a

the goal for scribus should be, that you can "easily" import the result in your layout.
and, personally, the fact that the exchange is not perfect, is something that bothers me much more than all the negative points you listed.
#92
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by utnik - February 19, 2024, 06:09:23 PM
hi tom

Quote from: tom on February 19, 2024, 02:34:53 PMOK, I will try to be clear without tons of complaints.

Let's check this everyday example...
Subject: There is a poor bitmap logo (sent by client) and you typically need to vectorize it by hand.

i would never do this with scribus.
scribus ist just a layout-tool and your task is better done with a vector drawing/editing tool (like inkscape...)

i'm not sure, which applications from corel you use and try to replace with scribus. but if it's 'draw', it will never work as the two applications are for completely different tasks.

utnik

#93
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by tom - February 19, 2024, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nermander on February 19, 2024, 04:09:19 PMDo it in Inkscape instead.
Oh, man! Now this is great and feels like home! :o So, why can't we have the same Bezier functionality in Scribus? Going between several applications is not the end of world but, doing it just to manage a few control points decently is funny.
#94
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by Nermander - February 19, 2024, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: tom on February 19, 2024, 02:34:53 PMLet's check this everyday example...
Subject: There is a poor bitmap logo (sent by client) and you typically need to vectorize it by hand.
Steps:
1) Bring the bitmap logo on the page. (works fine)
2) Decrease transparency as much as needed. (works fine)
3) Lock the bitmap image so you can comfortably work on it. (works fine)
4) Pick Bezier and start working on it. (works nice except why do I have snapping? -CASE A-)
5) Switch to wireframe view to precisely draw your curve. (oops... the bitmap became invisible -CASE B-)

Suggestion?

Do it in Inkscape instead.
#95
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by tom - February 19, 2024, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: RodneyLee on February 19, 2024, 02:52:23 PMI think it's pretty easy to resample an image in Scribus
Could you please share how?

Quote from: PatJr on February 19, 2024, 02:55:34 PMHere's my 'conversion' map for Corel software to open source
PatJr, I am always after abandoning the commercial software and instead do these very simple tasks with Scribus and similar applications. We don't really need to pay thousands of dollars to code the most comprehensive Bezier editor using minimalistic controls as Corel did. It is there since tens of years and it's not rocket science. A software shouldn't be weaker than the commercial one in the simplest tasks just because it is free. This has no technical explanation.
#96
Beginner Talk / Re: Pagination of large docume...
Last post by bigal - February 19, 2024, 03:11:11 PM
Hi Nermander,

At my age I had hoped that I had learned not to assume. Apparently that is a lesson I must still learn. The imposition software I use, bookletmaker, has three options.

  • Produce a booklet out of a linear document
  • Produce a linear document out of a booklet
  • Put multiple input pages on one output sheet

Each option has a little graphic to illustrate the type of result that can be expected. I assumed that the third option was the one I needed and failed to look beyond the end of my nose. I failed to explore or even look at the others.

After your question I experimented using the first option. Problem solved. I apologise for taking up your time but thank you for taking that time and pointing me in the right direction. To quote someone else, I will try to do better next time.
#97
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by PatJr - February 19, 2024, 02:55:34 PM
Here's my 'conversion' map for Corel software to open source

Draw > Inkscape
Paint or that other raster editor they bought > GIMP or Krita
Ventura, not sure they still offer that > Scribus
WordPerfect > LibreOffice

yes, the Corel products do have features that make many tasks easier then the open source products but for most people using open source is more like a philosophy
it might not be worth it to you to make the transition, there is a steep learning curve and you already know how to use what works for you with the commercial software
#98
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by RodneyLee - February 19, 2024, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: tom on February 18, 2024, 08:04:10 PMI can change the size but it does not resample. For example, I imported 300 x 300 pixel image and it is 1 inch square at 300 dpi. Let's say now I want to upscale it to 600 x 600 pixels while staying at 300 dpi. Makes sense?

I think it's pretty easy to resample an image in Scribus
#99
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by tom - February 19, 2024, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: a.l.e on February 19, 2024, 12:55:14 PMif you want to know how things can be done with scribus, you're welcome to ask.
OK, I will try to be clear without tons of complaints.

Let's check this everyday example...
Subject: There is a poor bitmap logo (sent by client) and you typically need to vectorize it by hand.
Steps:
1) Bring the bitmap logo on the page. (works fine)
2) Decrease transparency as much as needed. (works fine)
3) Lock the bitmap image so you can comfortably work on it. (works fine)
4) Pick Bezier and start working on it. (works nice except why do I have snapping? -CASE A-)
5) Switch to wireframe view to precisely draw your curve. (oops... the bitmap became invisible -CASE B-)

Suggestion?
#100
Beginner Talk / Re: Several basic stuff I cann...
Last post by a.l.e - February 19, 2024, 12:55:14 PM
defensive?

what do you expect for a reply?

yes, tom, you're right.
all our effort were in vain, and we stop developing THE ONLY existing open source DTP package*?
on top of it, the only DTP application that works on open source operating systems!

or would you prefer: we don't have the programming workforce for improving scribus the way we and you would like, but here is the new node editing tool, i quickly programmed for your last night?
it can do everything coreldraw can do and some more.

seriously, there are multiple sides of the medal and, as much the state of scribus often makes me sad, i really think that the world needs scribus.
even in its current shape.

for sure, it won't win a prize for the best DTP software!
not even the second prize.
(it probably will get in the top ten, but only because it's likely that there are not 10 DTP packages around)
but we need it.


finally, i can definitively tell you that scribus cannot replace the corel tools you're using.
don't even try!
you might get closer to a solution if you mix gimp, inkscape, krita, libreoffice and scribus.
but scribus alone will for sure not make you happy.

my last word for today?

if you want to know how things can be done with scribus, you're welcome to ask.
if you want to suggest how scribus should work, you're welcome to write down detailed proposals.
if you want to vent your frustration, that's also ok. but, please keep it decent.
if you want to document, what kind of work you wanted to do with scribus and were not able to do with scribus, that's perfect: but at least share the artworks you were trying to replicate.
and if you are just disgusted and don't want to touch scribus anymore, that's sad, but als also ok.
nobody says that you need to use it or like it.

greetings to the cave
a.l.e


* to be honest, there is a second open source DTP tool... created by tom for tom and -- probably -- only used by tom... while it's one of the coolest pieces of software i have ever seen, i cannot count it as an alternative to scribus. (for the curious ones it's https://laidout.org ... and it might still support the usage of two mouses, one in each hand.)