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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by Franz Gratzer on December 11, 2018, 08:27:47 pm »
but it's very unlikely that i will start working on it, if i am all alone...

I would be willing to contribute but I don't know much about the whole development process for Scribus and I am not even sure if I could help at all in a meaningful way. Not only for my lack of knowledge but because of limited time resources also. But if I could fit something useful into my day I would be glad to contribute. I would be able to create mock-ups for example but from what I've read they might not be very helpful since there seems to be no need for any new elements at all.
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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by Nermander on December 11, 2018, 05:55:35 pm »
Those were ideas with minimal changes to the UI:)

For a better user experience I think som changes to the UI would be needed.
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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by a.l.e on December 11, 2018, 04:57:06 pm »
looks like a plan : - )

i like your proposal, nermander... the question is:

- do people like it? or do you have even better ideas?
- how can we get it to be implemented?

personally, i would love to recreate the whole style management and

- make it non-modal (one should be able to edit the document while the style edit dialog is open)
- allow for creation and update of styles of from the properties palette
- allow for creation and update of styles of from a selection

but it's very unlikely that i will start working on it, if i am all alone...
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Text and Typography / Style not applied correctly
« Last post by sxwid on December 11, 2018, 11:07:10 am »
I am working in Scribus 1.4.7 under Ubuntu Linux. I defined several styles. But when I have a Textbox and apply them, sometimes they are not correctly applied, even tough they are set to the corresponding section (see attached Screenshot). Most of the time its messing up with the font size (in the Screenshot its changing from 10pt to 11pt). Sometimes everything is completely off. Any clue what I am missing? Can I "update all styles" somewhere?
Thanks, sxwid
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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by Nermander on December 10, 2018, 10:02:08 pm »
For fillable fields maybe just deleting the contents would revert it to default?

For dropdown-lists there could be a blank entry that will revert to default? Or an entry that explicitly states "Inherit from parent"?

Radiobuttons and checkboxes would be a bit harder, but for checkboxes there is at least the common convention of Checked, Unchecked, Grayed out.
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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by a.l.e on December 10, 2018, 08:03:49 pm »
since scribus does currently show which formatting have been changed, it would be easy to add a reset functionality.
it just has to be implemented for each field...

the question is: how to expose it to the user...
that's probably a bit more ricky.

my first reflex is to add a context menu... but i'm with steve job there: context menus are not the best solution.
adding a button to each field would imo be more friendly, but having a button per field would be messy.

some widgets that is only shown when the fields is active? probably the best solution... but harder to create...

any further thoughts about it?
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Beginner Talk / Re: Inherit properties from parent style
« Last post by Franz Gratzer on December 10, 2018, 06:53:09 pm »
This is a workaround, but it should get you what you want:
  • Create an other style that has the properties you want.
  • Delete the original style and replace it with your new style (that never had the property changed you wanted to inherit from the parent).
Of course this is no fun if you have a very complicated style with many properties, but this way you can get to what you are aiming at.
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i would say that your "better" layout does not have a tweaking of the letter spacing.

Maybe I use the wrong term here but if I compare the first and second line of both examples then there is not only a difference in character width but also in the space between the letters.

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there are letters which are too close for me ... messing with the letter spacing is probably not a good idea.

I think if kept in a limited range it offers better results than doing everything with just glyph extension. (I probably went to far with it because in the right example I didn't have anything else for compensation.)

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i think that the space "compression" is very close to the word tracking ...

I didn't encounter the term "space compression" yet. Therefore I can't comment on your statement.

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nice that you've found your way for a better result with scribus!

Yes, I'm looking forward to my next Scribus project. It will be much more fun now. 8)
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Text and Typography / Re: Automatic letter spacing as addition to glyph extension?
« Last post by a.l.e on December 10, 2018, 12:01:02 am »
i would say that your "better" layout does not have a tweaking of the letter spacing.

when looking at your right layout, there are letters which are too close for me... that example suggests to me that messing with the letter spacing is probably not a good idea.

and for the styles, i think that the space "compression" is very close to the word tracking... no idea what the difference is, though.

finally, nice that you've found your way for a better result with scribus!
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did you have a look at the word tracking?
Thank you for pointing my attention to it, a.l.e. The naming has confused me since I didn't expect this value would have effect on letter spacing but on word spacing. In fact I was able to get better results now by using all three options: "Word Tracking", "Glyph Extension" and automatic hyphenation than with my editing by hand. (See the attached file with extremely narrow columns for reference.)
Of course it's a question how big of a variation one should accept to get rid of holes in lines. It is always unclear if to tightly packed together narrowed letters are better than to much white space. At least now I can use the available tools properly. (It's only a shame that I can't adjust the "Word Tracking" in the paragraph style like the "Glyph Extension".)
Now I'm even happier with Scribus. ;D
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