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Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by steven8 on April 17, 2017, 06:47:42 am »
I created a black square shape with the same height as my font's x height, placed it in the bottom right hand corner of a page and saved it to the scrapbook.  I copy it onto the page where it is needed, line it up with the baseline grid at the end of my text, then align it's right side with the right side of my textbox.  It works good, and would be great if you chose to use a small graphic as well.
Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by GarryP on April 16, 2017, 11:17:29 am »
One - very dodgy - other method I thought of to do this is:

* Press ENTER at the end of the text to create a new paragraph;
* Insert the end mark in this new paragraph;
* Set the new paragraph to Right Justified;
* Set the Offset To Baseline (Advanced Settings) to 100%.

The width of the frame/column can then be changed while the end mark moves to accommodate the width (see attached screenshot showing the same text in two different frame widths).

This is a total hack - and not recommended practice - but might be of interest to someone.

Unfortunately you can't set the offset to more than 100% but if Scribus was changed to allow a higher percentage value it might be a viable - but weird - solution. (Or maybe someone can make tab stops measurable from the right, that would make the whole thing much easier and might have other uses.)
Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by GarryP on April 14, 2017, 02:23:35 pm »
As utnik suggests, putting tab stops in paragraph styles is a good way to go as you don't have to keep adding tab stops manually. However, if you use tab stops for placing end marks with styles you will need to have different styles for different frame/column widths as tab stops are always measured from the left - I.e. a 10mm tab stop will be in the same place whether the frame/column width is 10mm or 100mm. (If your frames/columns are always the same width then this isn't a problem.)
Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by utnik on April 14, 2017, 12:25:48 pm »
oh – i see…
i usually do things like that in the 'style manager' (there you can place your tab stops by mumerical values…) – and as i tested this 'end mark' thing, i encountered a problem with the tab stop at the right edge of the field. i had to move it 0.2 mm from the edge to make it work…

Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by GarryP on April 14, 2017, 12:01:24 pm »
Tabs are something that 1.4.6 doesn't handle very well. They're not what I would call "properly integrated into the UI".

You can apparently manipulate tabs using the rulers but I've never managed to do that successfully myself. (Clicking anywhere in the ruler seems to add a tab stop to the end - no matter where you click - and it's never easy to make adjustments as you sometimes can't see what's happening.) Maybe things are different in 1.5.x or I've just not figured out how to do it properly. Your current best bet - unless you want to experiment - is to use the Tabulators in "PP / Text / Columns & Text Distances".

First, double-click in the paragraph you want the tab to be in (tabs are related to paragraphs, not lines).
Then, go to "PP / Text / Columns & Text Distances" and press the Tabulators button.
Then click on the ruled line (anywhere will do at first) to create a tab stop.
Then change the orientation (top-left drop-down) from Left to Right. (This isn't really necessary here but it's good practice.)
Then drag the tab stop to the desired location (use the document ruler to give you a vague idea of where this should be).
Once done, OK the "Manage Tabulators" dialog.
Put the caret (insertion marker/cursor) at the end of the line where you want to insert the tab and press the TAB key.
Now insert the character you want as your end mark.

If the end mark isn't in the right place, go back to Tabulators and reposition as necessary (this might take some experimentation, and a tab that is too far to the right will move onto the next line). It would be nice if the width of the frame/column was somehow reflected/shown in the Tabulators dialog ruler.

Sometimes, when you go into Tabulators, you might not see the tab stop(s) and you might have to click around in the frame a bit to make things visible.

None of this is easy. Once you get the hang of it it's fairly straight forward - while still being awkward - but it's not exactly user-friendly.
User Interface / Re: Scribus UI/UX improvements
« Last post by c_schaefer on April 14, 2017, 10:16:52 am »
Hi Martin,

I've been reading through this very long thread, and I think you're the only who's not getting lost in details that can be figured out later but still focusses on the basics ;) That's not meant as an offence to anyone, since those details need to be considered later, and a discussion on them is absolutely necessary.

I've also seen that you already made a lot of progress at Well done!

Now that Scribus 1.5.3 is ready for relase, maybe we can get back to the basics and see how we can continue from there.

In my opinion the top priority must be several issues before 1.5.4 can be released (or before your branch can be integrated into svn):

1) Rip both properties palettes apart and modularise them (and make them dockable for the time being).

2) Make the modularised palette elements content-dependent, which means, for example, that no image-frame-related element is visible when a text frame has been selected.

3) Enable access to the relevant settings dialogues via the modularised elements, i.e., to Styles for text frames, lines and tables, to Colours & Fills for general frame settings and shapes.

4) Introduce frame styles.

5) Introduce a feature to save the current workspace, both with a document and as an external file. These options aren't mutually exclusive.

Points 3 to 5 are among the most requested features I heard from professionals.

The rest will be sorted out and optimised via real world testing: trial and error :) 

I absolutely adore your drafts for horizontally layouted palettes, and I'm convinced that this is the way to go, especially for text. I think, though, that for text a dialogue needs at least 3 tabs on top of the dialogue to provide access to all features. I also think that those horizontally designed dialogues need to be able to be moved around on canvas or docked at the top or bottom. Having them fixed at the top might cause unforeseen problems, so it's better to allow for some flexibility.

And here's another suggestion: InDesign provides access to advanced features like the OpenType ones via a menu. Perhaps it would make sense to add a new menu "Typography" or "Advanced"?

One nitpick: You should use Qt Designer to see what's realistically possible with Qt and how it will all look at the end on multiple platforms.
Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by utnik on April 13, 2017, 11:43:33 pm »
hi eneen

…can't make it work with tabs stops…

why not?

Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by Eneen on April 13, 2017, 09:06:39 pm »
I agree with you here, but I have situation where columns are thin and aligned to both sides to it looks really nice when right-aligned - it nicely closes composition. Still though can't make it work with tabs stops...
Beginner Talk / Re: Text ending symbol
« Last post by GarryP on April 13, 2017, 04:08:33 pm »
Sorry Eneen, I thought I had read your post wrong when you said you wanted it aligned to the right.

It's just that aligning the end mark to the right - therefore away from the end of the text - doesn't seem sensible to me. Moving the end mark to the right of the frame sort of defeats the purpose of using the mark in the first place.

The end mark tells the reader they have reached some kind of "resting place". If the mark is thrown over to the right of the frame then the reader will probably either ignore it or think it's some kind of printing mistake.

Consider my attached screenshot. With the end marks way over to the right they don't really tell the reader anything, and that's if they notice them at all. (I've used way too many end marks but that was just to get my point across.)

I would be happy to be proved wrong on this but I can't ever remember seeing an end mark that doesn't come straight after the text.

On top of that, end marks are most useful when they are used sparingly, usually just once at the end of an article - especially if the article "finishes off" the page. If the reader sees an end mark they know that they don't have to turn the page once they've finished the one they're reading. It gives them an idea of how much reading they need to do.
Windows / Re: Document window not visible
« Last post by GarryP on April 13, 2017, 03:41:57 pm »
Thanks for adding that extra bit of information Hilvern. I'm sure it will be useful.

If anyone knows of different key combinations for this in other languages it would be great if they can add them to this thread so other people can be helped in the future.
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