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General Discussion / Re: Scribus 1.6 - even a rough "guessimate" would be wonderful
« Last post by a.l.e on July 21, 2017, 10:03:18 am »
hi spiralbound,
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i understand your ... [sorrows, question, ...] very well.

i'm a developer of scribus but not part of the scribus team and i have no (direct) influence in setting deadlines or goals for scribus.

i would say that there is no chance for a 1.6 release in 2017.
all the rest depends on so many things that it's hard to say anything, until the team's police sticks to "it's ready when it's ready".

after 1.6 is released, i can only suggest the team to get rid of the stable / development releases and go for a branches model with regular releases every 6 months or once a year. (when a branch is ready it gets integrated into the trunk and released at the next deadline).
with a such a model, people interested in the feature can help the specific branch to be stabilized and integrated in the trunk and KNOW that it will then be integrated at a KNOWN date in the stable release.

(this cannot be done with 1.6, since there are several unstable features that should be stabilized first)

until such a change (the one i suggest or any other change...) is made, the plans for a stable release will stay as uncertain as they are now.
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Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by Nermander on July 21, 2017, 10:01:56 am »
Yes, I was thinking that it mainly has to to with how glyphs are rendered in a PDF. A glyph is drawn by referring to the font, and in the font the glyph is complete. There is most likely no support in the PDF format to allow for only partially drawing a glyph.

I think the only way to solve this is to convert the text to outlines and clip the lines explicitly. Which our course means there is no good way of doing this dynamically.
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Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by a.l.e on July 21, 2017, 09:54:05 am »
as far as i can tell, the problem is not what cairo can do and what the UI exposes but:

- what the scribus shapes can do and (most of all)
- what the pdf specifications allow.

as far as i know, (most) pdf versions do not allow clipping, so it makes little sense for scribus to work hard on getting a clipped object into scribus: at the end, it won't be able to correctly include it in the pdf.

on the other side, it would be wonderful if inkscape could resolve the clipping and export an svg that only contains the visible part of the svg...
or do you have evidences that say otherwise?
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Beginner Talk / Re: Flip pages horizontally
« Last post by mnawij on July 21, 2017, 05:07:09 am »
Good day to you.

I do not believe that Scribus can do this, I would say that this would have to be a custom script created within the .pdf file to achieve this outcome or to use an app such as this:

http://anyflip.com/

***I have never used this app, I just found it through a google search!***

mnawij
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Okay, first off.  I'm not complaining or demanding.  I know that open source projects are a thankless and under financed labour of love.  There's thousands of users, all of whom would love to see new stable versions of Scribus released every month, but the reality is the program is created by a small team of volunteers who are fitting in their coding efforts in between everything else in their lives.  I get that, I really do, so I'm not approaching this in a negative way at all.  I'm just curious if there are any rough estimates, or gut feelings as to how far along things are.

I found one site which talked about Scribus 1.6 possibly coming out in 2013; I found a bug tracker site which listed a LOOONG list of features to be coded with a tentative release date for 1.6 as June 30th, 2017.  I found a developer posting on this forum in 2011 talking about 1.6 as the next thing to come along way back then.  I'm assuming there have been setbacks of varying kinds over the years.  I expect and can accept that.  So, I guess, what I'm looking for isn't a firm release date, or even a promise of one.  What I'm hoping for is for a developer to reply with something which lets me know if Scribus 1.6 is something which might exist in 2017, or if it's expected in 2020, or if it's simply a long term goal with no realistic time estimate able to be made for its release.  If it's expected and even likely to be out within the next year or two, then great!  If it's really just a big unknown, then I'll stop being expectant for it and just keep using the latest stable release until one day "the big one" is released.

Oh, and no matter what the answer to my ramblings above ends up being, I want to say thank you to the programmers who do toil away at making Scribus.  Even the current stable release version is a fantastic program and I simply can't imagine all the hard work which must have gone into making it what it already is.  I couldn't code my way out of a wet paper bag, so you're all superheros in my eyes! :-)
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PDF Generation / Re: problems with faded CMYK color
« Last post by flomman on July 20, 2017, 12:05:04 pm »
Hey, thanks mnawij.  I have sent the pdf to the printer this morning, so I'll see what I get and report back here.

I continued the conversation with the printer yesterday via email, and he told me all the same things that you've all been telling me about the RGB to CMYK conversion process etc.  Anyway, he said that I could submit the artwork in any profile I liked, but in their experience, the web coated SWOP produced the best results when their software separated the colors.  So anyway, the proof is being printed, and I'll let you all know what the result is.

As to Color Management, I'm only using it because I thought it was necessary.  If I don't need it, I won't use it.  Once I get the proofs back, I'll know where I stand.  If they come in all washed-out, then I have no option but to return to InDesign, as I am running out of time to get this calendar on the press.  If the color is acceptable on the proofs, then I don't know what the story is with Color Management, and profiles, but I will happily ignore the appearance of the produced PDF, and carry on!  Perhaps my printer would help me calibrate my screen?  I guess I'll ask.
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Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by GarryP on July 20, 2017, 11:54:29 am »
Ah, I think I understand now.

My attached image shows - from top to bottom reading downwards - (a) original text, (b) text cropped top and bottom, (c) text cropped by a shape. I assume you want to do something similar.

Scribus has no cropping functionality for text. Scribus always tries to render text as fully as it can, meaning that if it can't fully display a character it will not display it at all. One of the basic tenets of Scribus was to render text as well as possible. Cropping text does quite go against this.

Some cropping can be done on images but that's really just an artefact of having to put images into frames (except for vector art which is a different thing). Cropping sort of "comes for free" with image frames rather than it being a specific function.

I don't think it's as simple a case as the UI not exposing any cropping functionality available in Cairo. I rather suspect that it's much more complicated than that but I'm not interested in a discussion about the whys and wherefores. Scribus doesn't do it and the reason for that is up to the developers.

There are various ways to "crop" text in Scribus - depending on what effect you want - but the more complex techniques usually result in the text being non-editable. Sometimes you can just put a shape over the text, and you can even get the background to show through if you are careful. This keeps the text "intact". Sometimes, however, you have to convert the text into outlines and then manipulate those outlines in various ways. The original text is "lost". It really depends on the circumstances.

The Transform functions usually apply to frames/shapes and not the things inside the frames/shapes, except for rotation. I can see where this could be a bit counter-intuitive. I have no idea why there's a difference in functionality between some of the transforms in this context. It's just something that you need to learn and remember. Changing the functionality now could cause a lot of people a lot of problems.

One thing to remember is that Scribus is a DTP application and not an illustration application. It has a lot of illustration functions but it's never going to have them all, and it doesn't need to. As long as you can import things from other applications like GIMP, Inkscape and LaTeX then you can produce almost anything you want. You just might have to pop out to another application to get some of the more fancy stuff done.
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Beginner Talk / Re: Flip pages horizontally
« Last post by m s narayanan on July 20, 2017, 08:45:11 am »
Dear mnawij

I wish o have flip motion.

Thanks

M S Narayanan
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Beginner Talk / Re: Flip pages horizontally
« Last post by mnawij on July 19, 2017, 10:52:25 pm »
OK bear with me, I am a bit slow on the uptake with this one, do you want the pdf to animate a flipping motion when reading or do you want the page turned horizontal to design the newsletter in the landscape position?

mnawij
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PDF Generation / Re: problems with faded CMYK color
« Last post by mnawij on July 19, 2017, 10:47:15 pm »
I agree with Nermander, I hard proof and have the customer sign it before I go to print on any order over $500.00 and I soft proof (email pdf) for the customer to sign off on any other order.

flomman, the software the printer puts it through is call a RIP (raster image processor) and unless they have that set up to accept web coated SWOP it will strip the color profile and read the actual CMYK values of the artwork.  Also web coated I believe is the default when the Adobe Suite is installed, but I am not 100% sure, if your printer has that, they might have never changed it from the default setting and do not have color management setup in there print shop.  I wish I could help you more on this, but I do not use color management with my Scribus files and they have printed just fine and I would say that I have printed over 200 of them.  I set up a church and another not for profit with Scribus to do their own artwork and did not setup color management and have had no problems printing for them.

mnawij
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