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General Discussion / Another Possible New Scribus User Looking For A Path
« Last post by Derek on August 08, 2017, 07:14:13 pm »
Hi All,

I'm the editor of a monthly community magazine which I inherited in Microsoft Publisher. I'm also fairly new to Linux. I'm on a mission to ditch everyting that's Microsoft branded - ever since Windows 10 started hijacking my laptop to install updates. I'm on a not very fast rural broadband connection, so a major update can take up to 8 to 10 hours. For some reason the Microsoft Monster always makes its presence known just after my copy deadline, during editing or before my print deadline.  >:(

My Linux Mint installation, on the other hand, is very polite. It never interferes with my life.  8)

Microsoft rant over. It's on it's way out of my life. For the first time in my life I feel free!  :)

Now, the question of the magazine which I currently edit in MS Publisher 2010 in a Windows 7 virtual machine. It's a bit graunchy and slow - my 64 bit hardware won't run 64 bit virtual machines. WINE isn't a good solution as MS Publisher doesn't run very well under WINE. It's rated as unstable and unusable for production by WineHQ. When the time comes to hand it on I, strictly should hand it over to the next incumbent in Publisher. However, I can see that there may be advantages in migrating to Scribus. Mostly that Scribus is available for Mac, Windows and Linux at zero cost for the next editor if they would rather not have to buy MS Publisher.

I've started with the Scribus learning curve. I've created a passable copy of the front cover  of last month's edition, and will carry on with some of the boilerplate pages (parish directories and advertising that are carried forward from month to month). For this I've installed 1.5.3 - the development version. Bearing in mind that I need reasonable stability, but don't mind hitting problems along the way, would it be advisable to take a step back to the official stable release before I get too far down the road with 1.5.3, or is 1.5.3 stable enough to continue with?

I also maintain the publication's sister web site - mainly an event calendar with some front-page news items - in WordPress. A long term goal is to be able to download the month's new web content in a format suitable for easy (enough) import into Scribus - accepting, of course, that some formatting will be necessary.

Given that I am far from experienced with Scribus does this sound, to those of you who are, like a sensible approach? Are there any major pitfalls and pratfalls I should be aware of? The first of these, I think I'm beginning to realise, is that the learning curve and documentation are likely to be very offputting for possible future editors  - though I am trying to find suitable volunteers who might want to take up publishing as either a full- or part-time career and, so, might benefit from learning Scribus which they may find used by future employers/customers. :-\

Beginner Talk / Re: Disappearing object box while trying to move a guide line
« Last post by a.l.e on August 04, 2017, 02:41:13 pm »
there is a ticket for it .

and, as i wrote in the ticket, now that we have snapping among items the feature would be even more welcome : - )
Beginner Talk / Re: Disappearing object box while trying to move a guide line
« Last post by Nermander on August 04, 2017, 02:23:34 pm »
It would be a nice feature if guides would honor the snap settings (I just tried in 1.5.2 and the guide didn't snap, while a drawn line did snap both to the edges and the center of test object).

Beginner Talk / Re: Disappearing object box while trying to move a guide line
« Last post by a.l.e on August 04, 2017, 11:13:13 am »
ok, i think that i see what you mean...

if if i would never do it the way you're doing it, it's indeed a bit awkward to see the item deselected and reselected afterwards.

i've filled a ticket for this:

anyway, you will probably want to use the snapping to item... or just the "edit > manage guides" to place the guide at a given coordinate.
with 1.5.3, your way is probably the least comfortable one...
Beginner Talk / Re: Disappearing object box while trying to move a guide line
« Last post by a.l.e on August 04, 2017, 11:06:36 am »
from your description it's hard for me to say what you are doing "wrong".
or what scribus is doing wrong

but if you activate the "page > snap to item" option, you can just align the items to each other (even center to center)...
Beginner Talk / Disappearing object box while trying to move a guide line
« Last post by yamahacasio5353200 on August 03, 2017, 11:37:41 pm »
This happens in scribus 152 and 153.
If I need to align objects to a specific object's center point, I first select the object.  This gives me the center point of the object.  Now I want to set a guide to that exact point.  However, whenever I go to the edge of the screen to grab a guide, as soon as I click on the ruler the object gets deselected.  If I release the guide, the object selection reappears, sometimes.  Then if I click on the guide again to move it, the object gets deslected again, making my center object point disappear.
What am I doing wrong with this operation.
When doing the same thing in Inkscape, it functions just fine, without deselecting object.
It also works with Microsoft Expression Design, Adobe Illustrator, and Adobe Indesign.
What is different with Scribus?
Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by Nermander on August 03, 2017, 09:14:06 pm »
I just want to add that I have not (as far as I know) said that there certainly is a problem, but that there could be.

Because my interpretation is that when rendering a PDF the "cursor" is placed and then a glyph drawn using the font data. Of the full glyph shall not be drawn, how is the rendering engine informed of that? It must mean there needs to be an on the fly "reshaping" of the glyph before it is drawn?
PDF Generation / Re: problems with faded CMYK color
« Last post by GarryP on August 03, 2017, 02:51:27 pm »
Most people don't bother but I think the normal thing for this forum is to just change the title of the thread to include [SOLVED] at the beginning. This might change if the site ever gets a real 21st-Century update:,2328.0.html
Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by GarryP on August 03, 2017, 02:45:04 pm »
I would be quite happy to drop this subject as it's not really relevant to me. It's just interesting is all.

Saying that, I would like to add a few opinions and observations that might help future discussions.

Cropping can be a very useful feature but I agree that it wouldn't be used much for text. If someone wants to crop text then they're normally trying to create something fancy where the text glyph forms would need further manipulation so converting them to outlines would probably be needed anyway. I can't think of an example where I have needed to crop text within a rectangle and not then went on to do other manipulations. As a possible addition to Scribus I would say that text cropping is a low priority.

It looks like I was wrong and text cropping isn't actually something that's allowable in a PDF but masking does the same thing as far as on-screen use is involved. As for printing, that's really outside my sphere of knowledge (which is why I was asking for confirmation/denial earlier) so I'm happy to leave that to other people to discuss.

Cropping vector graphics - on the other hand - can be very useful if, for example, you have a "sheet" of logos/icons in a single SVG and you just want to display one of them. (Sometimes people create collections of things together on the same drawing so they can make sure all of the things have the same look and feel without having to switch between different drawings. And you can change the icon/logo just by moving the "sheet" around under the crop boundary.)

However, there would be an issue over what happens to the parts of the drawing that can't be seen. For "true" cropping I would say that the unseen parts of the drawing should not be exported to the PDF but there's the problem of what happens to vectors which cross the crop boundary. Some kind of very clever vector subtraction processing could be applied but I think that might be overkill and a transparency mask might be easier, but then there's the transparency/flattening issue that's been raised.

Again, for me, it's not a big issue. I don't crop vectors very much and when I do need to I also normally have to make other changes so I generally do what changes I need using the same tools without cropping.

Cropping raster images is a much more useful function as "true" cropping would mean smaller PDF sizes where a 'sub-image' was exported rather than the whole thing. This is an area that has been brought up in the past but I've a feeling it would mess with how Scribus draws images. For instance, Scribus "crops" images inside image frames but they're not really cropped, the whole image is exported but only part of it is shown. Sort of "cropping lite". Adding a "true" cropping function might make things more awkward UI-wise.

All in all, I don't have any real stake in adding cropping functionality to Scribus as I wouldn't use it much, except for raster cropping and that can be done in GIMP if it's really needed anyway. I just thought Nermander had raised an interesting issue about cropping text that needed some kind of answer.
Text and Typography / Re: Clipping and skewing text
« Last post by Nermander on August 02, 2017, 11:17:58 pm »
indeed, scribus does not have a clipping tool, but as you might have seen in the pdfs i've uploaded, it is possible to manually clip content.
I don't consider the content in those PDFs to be clipped. I'd rather say it is transparency (but with 100% opacity) (since the non-visible text is still selectable in the PDF).

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