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General Discussion / Re: Need Honest Opinion
« Last post by Nermander on June 12, 2017, 09:54:16 pm »
To understand the difference between Scribus and a Word processor I think you can look at it this way:

With Scribus you decide the layout of the pages and fill the layout with content. This usually means you need to adapt the content to your layout (or manually change the layout to fit the content).

With a Word processor you have less control over the layout, but the content flows automatically. You can say the layout adapts to the content.

The Scribus way gives you more control, but it also forces you do take more control.
Beginner Talk / Re: Color management
« Last post by a.l.e on June 12, 2017, 06:36:01 pm »
as complement to what garry has been writing:

- if you're using os x or windows (or any other OS that relies on downloads), only trust the download links from the scribus download page (

- if you're using an OS that relies on a package manager, scribus might or not be at fault when something does not work correctly. but the packager could also be at fault.

- at the time of writing, if you're using debian or ubuntu (even the PPA from, you can be pretty sure that the packaging has been done correctly (the scribus bug tracker is "full" of tickets and patches by the marvelous packager).

Beginner Talk / Re: Color management
« Last post by GarryP on June 12, 2017, 05:03:05 pm »
Just for the heck of it I've just downloaded and installed Ubuntu 17.04 64-bit into a fresh VM too (I can't see anyone saying that Ubuntu is a "weird" choice for someone to install).

The Software Manager reports Scribus as version 1.4.6+dfsg-4.
The Splash Screen shows as version 1.4.6 (but, again, greyscale).
Title Bar shows version as 1.4.6.

In Preferences the Colour Management icon is available and, once CM has been activated, there are many profiles available, all with proper names.

Everything looks fine and dandy there (except the weird greyscale splash screen, like looking at Scribus from the 1940's).

Is it worth someone keeping a list of Linux flavours, which Scribus versions are installed by their Software/Package managers, and whether Scribus works "out of the box"?

So far - in this thread - we have:
* Mint 17.3 - Scribus 1.4.3svn - Unstable Scribus version and possible issues with RGB profiles
* Mint 18.1 - Scribus 1.4.6 - Does not include ICC profiles for colour management (probably)
* Ubuntu 17.04 - Scribus 1.4.6 - All looks fine

I think a better conclusion would be: "Don't trust your software/package manager to have the latest stable version of Scribus and, even if it does, don't trust it to be packaged properly".
Beginner Talk / Re: Color management
« Last post by GarryP on June 12, 2017, 04:20:09 pm »
I've just installed Scribus on an old VM of Mint Cinnamon 17.3 64bit (I know it's not the same version but it's what I had easily to hand).

The Software Manager reports the Scribus version as 1.4.2.dfsg+r18267-1ubuntu2.
The splash screen (in colour) reports Scribus as 1.4.2.
The Title Bar reports Scribus as 1.4.3svn (far too many packages seem to use svn versions).

The Colour Management icon (umbrella) shows in Preferences and can be activated however the RGB, RGB Solid Colours and Monitor profile names are displayed as gibberish (seemingly random characters including outlined rectangles.) That doesn't seem to be related to the original issue but is a bit worrying all the same.

I then downloaded a fresh copy of Mint Cinnamon 18.1 64-bit (no updates, just installed straight from the University of Kent's mirror today) and installed it in a brand new VM.

The Software Manager reports the Scribus version as 1.4.6+dfsg-2ubuntu0.1.
The splash screen reports Scribus as 1.4.6 (but is greyscale).
The Title Bar reports Scribus as 1.4.6.

The Colour Management icon is not available in Preferences.
Build ID from the help screen shows as C-C-T-F-C1.14.6-64bit.
ICC Profiles text field in Preferences/General is greyed-out and the Change button for the profiles cannot be clicked.

That suggests to me that - as a.l.e said above - Scribus is not packaged correctly for Mint 18.1 (or 17.3 either for that matter).
Beginner Talk / Re: Color management
« Last post by a.l.e on June 12, 2017, 04:05:11 pm »
well, for what i can tell, the advice could also be: never use mint for serious work!
as it seems that mint cannot handle this.

in the last few years, i don't think i've ever heard of anybody who failed to use the color management with Scribus, except when users are not able to correctly install their software.

in your case, if you have not tweaked anything and if you have installed all the packages your package manager is suggesting, i can only think that the package you're getting is not correct.
which would be a fail of the mint package owner.

there is nothing scribus can do, to fix that.
really, if your icc profile and lcms are correctly installed, scribus will find them.
Beginner Talk / Re: Color management
« Last post by Ruud on June 12, 2017, 03:07:20 pm »
Thank you all for your input...
This weekend Scribus 1.4.6 was installed on the system of an experienced Linux-user. This was too on a Mint18 64 system. We used the same procedure, installation from the software-manager and he made a check for LittleCMS and the icc's: all present and correct.
But here neither an umbrella for colormanagement!!
Conclusion? Do not expect Scribus to handle your colors correctly en check, check and dubbelcheck the colors you send to your printing partners (They should and probably can check this issue). Probably the best way is to send your work to your printing-partners as PDF-sRGB and ask them to convert!
It is a shame Scrubus can not handle this >:(

General Discussion / Re: Need Honest Opinion
« Last post by GarryP on June 12, 2017, 11:59:55 am »
I don't think you need to worry about splitting the document at this point as it might not actually be needed (and could cause other problems).

Probably better to concentrate on learning Scribus and getting the document created in the first place.

(It's good to keep the idea in the back of your mind though as it might help you to construct the document in a better way from the start, E.g. using styles for formatting and not using very long text frame chains.)

Some places to start learning are:
This is quite old - some of the functions have been renamed and/or moved - but most of it is still relevant and it's done in a tutorial-style so you can follow along.
I personally haven't tried this one but it looks well written. More of a "read it through and then try it yourself" sort of a manual.

If you prefer to learn by doing then you could try some of the tutorials here:

Most of these tutorials expect you to have a bit of experience using Scribus but some of them go through the process quite meticulously so even a total beginner should be able to follow along.

My personal recommendation would be to, first, skim-read the FLOSS Manual - skipping the small details - then try some of the Wiki and Forum tutorials. Even if you don't want to make things like neon signs, vintage photos, or magazine covers, just knowing that the features you use are there will help you to remember them if you need them in the future.

I would also recommend these Wiki tutorials:
* (to get a basic understanding of layout)
* (very important for books)
* (if you will be using colours, which most people do)

If you get the basics right then you're off to the best start.

Anyway, good luck with your publications and learning Scribus.
General Discussion / Re: Need Honest Opinion
« Last post by Guyon on June 11, 2017, 06:14:54 pm »
A very thoughtful reply GarryP.

I suppose i am at the point where I need to just DL the program and see how it runs. My document will be under 200 pages with some heavy full page graphics.  So thank for the hint that I many need to stitch parts together.
General Discussion / Re: Need Honest Opinion
« Last post by GarryP on June 11, 2017, 11:39:32 am »
You're welcome Guyon.

Once you start to add images to your document then you really should start to think about using DTP. You could probably still use a word processor but you would probably end up fighting against the software. You could also probably use Corel Draw but that might be more of a pain in the long run than learning the basics of Scribus.

Scribus has lots of complex functions - most of which you will probably not need to use - but the basics are easy to understand once you put some time into getting used to them. To add things to a page you add frames first. Text goes into text frames, images go into image frames. You put the text and image frames where you want the text and images to be on the page. Once you understand that then everything else is just formatting and making things look nice. (I've over-simplified things a lot but, for most purposes, that's enough to get you going.)

One thing you need to keep in mind is the size of your document in relation to the memory on your machine. Scribus keeps the whole document in memory so you need to make sure that your machine has enough memory to handle all the images you intend to put in the document. Total up the sizes of the images and if that total is anywhere near the free memory on your machine then you might have problems. You can get round this by creating the document in sections - separate documents - and then stitching them together later but that will require some planning and more software. This probably won't be an issue, and it's not just a Scribus-only issue, but it's worth keeping in mind.

There are some examples of similar publications - 100+ pages with images - here so you can see that Scribus should be able to handle what you want.

The question you need to ask yourself is: "Do you spend time trying to make the software you already know do what you want or do you learn some new software that already does what you want it to do?"
General Discussion / Re: Can Scribus make Epub?
« Last post by Guyon on June 10, 2017, 09:17:01 pm »
ouch.  thanks though
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