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Free discussion / Re: Documentation about editorial design
« Last post by GarryP on Today at 11:53:10 am »
There are so many different ways to answer this question but I'll try and give some general advice.

I am making the following assumptions (which may or may not be correct):
* Your group of volunteers are not IT/DTP experts;
* You - and by you I also mean other people in the group - don't have the access or funds to get your magazine professionally printed;
* You don't have a lot of time to produce each edition of the magazine, I.e. it's not a full-time piece of work.

From these assumptions I can say that you would be restricted by how the magazine is printed. A further assumption would be that you are printing onto A4 (maybe A5) on a home/office printer (probably inkjet) and maybe don't - or don't always - have access to duplex (double-sided) printing. Home/office printing on an inkjet can be expensive, especially in colour.

All of that restricts the sort of magazine you can produce: Standard size paper; basic printing facilities; keeping costs low; etc. This means that your layout needs to be simple while also trying to be interesting. That's a difficult task but not an insurmountable one.

First off I would recommend having a look at this article: https://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Page_Layout_-_The_Basics It gives some basic advice on basic page layouts. It's not comprehensive and it doesn't take into account your readership or the type of magazine you're making but it might give you some decent hints about how to start going about things.

The next thing to think about is who your readers are. For instance:
* Do they have any vision problems (bad eyesight etc.) - this might mean that your text needs to be larger than in a normal magazine;
* What do they want from the magazine? Do they want long in-depth articles or short snappy snippets of information?
* What style would they prefer? Formal vs. Informal? News bulletin vs. Friends in the pub?
* Will the magazine be kept for historical purposes or just be recycled after reading?

All of the items above will have an effect on what sort of layout you should produce. Larger text with a limited print cost may reduce the number of pages/articles you can produce. Short articles can be spread around the pages but can be more difficult to arrange without getting a lot of unwanted white space. A formal style generally means a more standardised layout while an informal style can be more "fluid". Something that could be passed down to the grandchildren will probably need much more care put into it.

Once you have thought about all of that I would recommend looking at similar publications and seeing what is already being produced. Is there anything out there which you would like to copy? Is there anything you want your magazine to be nothing like?

Try and find a selection of publications which you like and then look at how they are laid out. Do they have strictly columnar layouts? How many fonts do they use? How many images do they use? Look at the similarities and differences and try and see which bits you like.

One good way of getting good practice in layout design is to try copying something. Find a magazine and try to reproduce the layout in Scribus. Start with something simple. You probably won't have access to the exact same images and fonts but you should be able to make something similar. While you are recreating the layout, think about how the different parts of the page are put together. Does an image constrict the text or does the text force the image locations/sizes? Is it easier to use different frames with guides or do multi-column text frames work better? In what order is it best to create things? Remember, the people who make professional magazines will have many years of experience to draw from. You can learn from that experience.

Once you have a decent amount of practice copying someone else's layouts you will probably have gained quite a bit of experience of your own.

If you want some inspiration for magazine layouts then I can thoroughly recommend somewhere like this: https://inspirationhut.net/inspiration/36-stunning-magazine-and-publication-layouts-for-your-inspiration/ (Inspiration Hut is a great place for inspiration for a lot of things, hence the name!)
You probably won't be able to recreate any of those layouts at the start but the people who made them wouldn't have been able to when they started either so don't feel overwhelmed. Try something simple and then work your way up to more complicated stuff. It's how they will have done it.

Try doing a web image search on "magazine layout" and pick something simple to start with. Then move on to something a bit more complicated but don't think that you have to actually make something complicated for your own magazine. Find your comfort level and go with that, adding other things when you think they will add something important to the magazine.

I hope I've given you some things to think about and have helped a little. This is the sort of thing that is much easier to learn by doing rather than reading. Just reading about how to sculpt won't make you a good sculptor. You need to feel the stone and chisels in your hands.
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Linux / Re: Scribus-1.5.3 Segfault on Slackware-14.2
« Last post by a.l.e on Today at 11:34:12 am »
on the one side you're welcome to share your work in this forum and ask for hints how you can improve it!

you can see here

http://forums.scribus.net/index.php/topic,2260.0.html

that you can get lot of precious help, if you ask for it : - )

on the other side, there are many people who are no graphics experts and are doing a similar work as you are doing.
when they stumble upon scribus and want to see if the software fits their needs, they might be very happy to see that you are doing exactly the same thing! : - )

i know, it's hard to share your work, when you have the feeling that it's not perfect yet... but maybe we can help you improve and share the results!

ciao
a.l.e
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Layout Issues / Re: Cannot find First Line Offset
« Last post by GarryP on Today at 10:35:06 am »
As you have correctly deduced, the First Line Offset is only applicable to the first paragraph of text in a frame. Subsequent paragraphs have no need for such a setting since they flow from the text above. I believe this is the right way to do things, but see below.

First Line Offset should be set to either "Font Ascent" or "Line Spacing" by default as they are both more "natural" for users than the current "Maximum Ascent" setting. I have no idea why it's not. See this ticket from more than seven years ago: https://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=9150

You can add "padding" to a text frame via "Properties Palette / Text / Columns & Text Distances", however, as with the First Line Offset, it's only applicable to the text frame itself rather than the text within the frame so it can't/shouldn't be set as part of a text style.

Maybe it's time for Scribus to also have "Text Frame Styles"? First Line Offset, Columns and Text Distances, and Optical Margins could all be put into a style which could be applied to frames without altering the formatting of the text within. They would alter how the text is displayed but they don't need to interact with the text styles as they should work at a higher level before the text starts to be rendered. Just a thought.
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Free discussion / Documentation about editorial design
« Last post by scriber on August 22, 2017, 07:34:25 pm »
I'm helping in a very small village editorial staff of a local magazine. It's a very small project and it is managed in a "homemade" way, we are all volunteers, nothing professional.
We print out about 300 copies of the magazine thee times in a year in which we describe events about our village, old stories, some news and so on.

I deal with the magazine layout, but I'm not an expert at all. I just place titles, texts, images and white spaces following a very "instinctive" order, I use to create a grid system and place all elements on that.
I'd like to improve my skills about editorial design theory and then put it in to practice with Scribus and our magazine layout.

Could you suggest any good documentation about editorial design?
Books, other documents on the net, videos and so on...

Thanks a lot in advance!  :D
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Linux / Re: Scribus-1.5.3 Segfault on Slackware-14.2
« Last post by scriber on August 22, 2017, 06:58:56 pm »
Thank you for your reply!
I solved thanks to ponce and jean suggest.

Well, our magazine is a very simple project.. I'm not a graphic expert, just the one who make the work done as he can. Anyway I'm interested in a good editorial design book or video lesson to improve my knowledge and skills at compose a better layout choosing the "right" font and where and to put the images...
But, this isn't the right topic to speak it about. I'll open a new one!

Thanks again!   :)
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Layout Issues / Re: Cannot find First Line Offset
« Last post by JoergWausW on August 22, 2017, 06:52:14 pm »
Thanks for the link. That is how I understood the problem....

I get the problem - it's a property for just the first paragraph in the textbox.

The problem occurs, because the distance between letters and the border of the text frame is too small.
If you have a visible border line around the frame, its middle is where the box contents ends. If this line is too thick, letters can collide with the line. Same happens in LaTeX boxes.

I guess a solution might be a style setting for all frames types like the padding option in HTML - define a distance between the frame border and its contents. Or does it exist and I haven't found it yet?
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PDF Generation / Re: AGLFN in content layer in PDF for unicode
« Last post by a.l.e on August 22, 2017, 12:18:23 pm »
thanks chandra for submitting the ticket!

https://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=14960

let's see what the answer will be...
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Beginner Talk / Re: 360 Deg or 0.00?
« Last post by GarryP on August 22, 2017, 11:25:54 am »
This question seemed to be a curious one so I did some quick tests on 1.4.6 on Windows.

First I added a rectangle and set its line width to 3pt. Then I duplicated the rectangle - so I could more clearly see any difference between before and after - and set its rotation - via the PP - to 360deg.

No change in the width of the outline occurred but I did notice a very slight change in the red selection box surrounding the rectangle. The selection box seems to get bigger by one pixel in both X and Y at the top-left of the selection box, as much as I can tell visually (the bottom-right seems to be unaffected). Setting the rotation back to 0 doesn't change the outline width but - in a similar but opposite way to the reverse - the selection box seems to shrink by one pixel at the top-left.

Performing the same rotation on a text frame and an image frame - after giving them an outline colour - produced the same results, I.e. no change in outline width but a very slight, almost imperceptible, change in the selection box position/size. Similar tests on other shapes produced the same expected results.

I cannot replicate James' position regarding "thickness of the frame becomes doubled". I'm not saying that it cannot happen, I just cannot replicate the circumstances. James, if you can show us a video it might help.

Then I looked at rotating the object through the 360deg mark which shows an anomaly. Create any object - frame or shape - and use the PP Rotation up-arrow to rotate the object to, say, 2 deg. Then use the down-arrow to rotate it back to, say, 358deg. What happens is that the rotation value will go: 2, 1, 0, 360, 359, 358. The same thing happens when using the mouse scroll-wheel over the Rotation field.

This gets even worse when you set the rotation to, for example, 2 deg and use CTRL+mouse-wheel to change the rotation by 10 degree increments/decrements. The first down-scroll takes you to 0deg, the next to 360deg, the next to 350deg. The first down-scroll should take you to 352deg but it takes three down-scrolls to get anywhere near and it's still not right.

This behaviour is wrong. As James says, 0deg and 360deg are - in the context of Scribus - the same thing. An object should not be able to have a rotation of 0deg or 360deg. A rotation of 360deg should produce the object's identity, which is where it was at 0deg.

NOTE: For maths/physics geeks, I'm aware that there are situations where an object has to be rotated by 720deg to take it back to its identity but those situations don't exist in the context of a two-dimensional Scribus document.
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Beginner Talk / Re: 360 Deg or 0.00?
« Last post by a.l.e on August 22, 2017, 09:52:25 am »
which version of scribus are you using?
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PDF Generation / Re: AGLFN in content layer in PDF for unicode
« Last post by chandra on August 22, 2017, 09:32:40 am »
Thanks
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